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你看看这么多人的故事😁 在确诊后用了药后好了

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Last Updated: 2021-10-30
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  • 枫下家园 / 医药保健 / More bad news for vaccinated. If I were vaccinated, I would search HARD for IVM, HCQ, or whatever. Seems it is matter of time for vaccinated to contract covid. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-30 {793} (#14077342@0) +4

    First, Nature article, scary variant appears makes vaccine useless.

    The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 variant A.30 is heavily mutated and evades vaccine-induced antibodies with high efficiency

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-021-00779-5

    2nd Lancet article, a little harder to understnad but you can see the hill review on 2nd link. vaccinated just carry the same virus load as unvaccinated so same infectious.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext#seccestitle160

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/579068-vaccinated-just-as-likely-to-spread-delta-variant-as-unvaccinated-study

    • 没事，他们有护照防身，就一切安全了。 -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-10-30 (#14077376@0) +5
      • "疫"和团,跟病毒和气一团的护身符 (不针对个人接受疫苗的人) -scar(Scar); 2021-10-31 (#14078483@0)
    • 那篇讲变异的文章提到的A30变异，不是个新出来的变异 -micah(mica); 2021-10-30 {664} (#14077430@0)
      今年的2月份第一次发现，全世界目前只发现5例，这个变异对疫苗有很强的抵抗，这个没错，但奇怪的是从5月份以来，再也没发现一例这个变异。重视肯定要重视，但很难解释既然可以抵抗疫苗，居然没有进化成主流，这么多月仍然是个罕见变异。
      另外关于柳叶刀那篇文章 这篇文章最主要的发现，是说接种疫苗后的感染者，病毒停留的时间比未接种者短，换句话说，疫苗有宜于去除身体里的变异，减小传染性。接种疫苗后感染病毒，体内的病毒量和未接种者是一样的，所以仍然可以传染，这是早知道的，但是病毒的数量不是决定传染性的唯一因素，这篇文章就是要说病毒数量去除的kinetics因为接种疫苗变快了。总之，可以肯定的是，接种疫苗不能绝对防止传染，但是可以在一定程度上减少传染性，打完疫苗，仍然要做好防护，这个很重要
      • Interesting. So this A30 has not been detected for 5 months but how come nature all the sudden publish this article now? Fishy here. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-30 (#14077506@0) +2
        • it may take a few months to do the experiments ? -micah(mica); 2021-10-30 (#14077525@0)
          • That could be. yea review process may takes some time. But if all research is done based on 5 patients, sounds sample size too small for nature. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-30 (#14077750@0)
            • 这篇文章不是拿病人做研究 是拿刺突蛋白做实验啊。这个刺突上的变异 很unique， 所以几个千老 拍拍脑袋 决定拿它试试疫苗的效果 花了几个月做实验 整出这篇文章。和那5个病人没有毛线关系 -micah(mica); 2021-10-30 (#14078064@0) +2
            • 转得这么急，你究竟读没读啊？里面不说了是春天的变种吗。 -englearner(majia); 2021-10-30 (#14078083@0) +1
              • I read the title not the content. The important part is that full evasion variant exists. Lucky for human race is that it apparently not as infectious as other variants. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-30 (#14078113@0)
                • I totally agree with you on this. -micah(mica); 2021-10-30 (#14078117@0)
    • 完全免疫逃逸的变种可能来自delta子变种，在人口里感染比例不到10%，根本发现不了。就算完全免疫逃逸死亡率是10%，在感染里占10%，死亡率也就多1%，根本发现不了。等发现基本晚了。 -arduino(arduino); 2021-10-30 (#14077534@0) +2
      • yea this makes sense. as I said above, hard to image Nature publish a paper based on 5 patients. Danger may just around the corner now. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-30 (#14077755@0)
    • 你看看这么多人的故事😁 在确诊后用了药后好了 -returntoffice(等等); 2021-10-30 {240} (#14077545@0) +1
      • you may find mine in those stories. :) -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-30 (#14077752@0) +2

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