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枫下家园 / 医药保健 / 巴塞罗那队前锋Sergio Aguero上周末在比赛中因心脏问题呗送进医院。可能会休赛3个月。后、周一，冰岛足球运动员Emil Palsson也因心脏停博而倒在球场。不记得以前足球场上有这么多的心脏问题。 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-2 (#14084076@0) +4

看来喵完了不能激烈运动 -doris99(智🐮); 2021-11-2 (#14084107@0) +4

记得这里谁说知道一个朋友，疫苗后跑步猝死 -itwriting(halfpercent); 2021-11-2 (#14084682@0)

以后可以在比赛前给运动员打强心针，解决这个问题 -cyy123(maxi); 2021-11-2 (#14084642@0) +2
年纪健壮的运动员，几乎不可能被病毒干倒，倒被疫苗放倒了。 -itwriting(halfpercent); 2021-11-2 (#14084676@0) +6
运动员心脏有力，血流快，疫苗微粒更容易直接到达心脏。和香港实验，疫苗打入血管，老鼠心脏变黑一个原理。胖子血流粘稠，血脂高，血速慢是很安全的。没听说胖子打疫苗得心肌炎的。 -cyy123(maxi); 2021-11-2 {82} (#14084696@0) +5
打疫苗之前，可以大吃大喝几天，血液里充满各种脂肪和粘稠物质，这样安全系数会大大提高

这样就不仅仅是伪科学瞎编，还劝人不健康饮食，属于使坏了。 -moonhalf(减肥减多久); 2021-11-3 (#14085528@0) +1
安全措施。上馆子的费用算医疗开支。 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-3 (#14085911@0)
所以就算打疫苗也一定要aspirate，不然就有可能会直接打到血管里，我们问了几个给打疫苗的护士，都不给做aspirate 。。。 -dimiling(dimiling); 2021-11-4 (#14086748@0) +2

为了做对比，也需要一部分不打疫苗的人进行对比实验。 -lily-wind(Lily-wind); 2021-11-2 (#14084725@0) +1

哪来的不打疫苗的？不打疫苗都已经不让上场了 -cicy(HuntforFreedom); 2021-11-3 (#14084963@0) +4

当百分百免疫后，就没有任何对照数据了，也就是说没有任何政府、公司、领导需要为任何可能的后遗症负责了。 -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-11-3 (#14085080@0) +5

以前就有，可能你没关心、注意这事：In the United States, approximately 100 to 150 sudden cardiac deaths (SCD) occur during competitive sports each year, according to the American College of Cardiology. -moonhalf(减肥减多久); 2021-11-3 {665} (#14085524@0)

Even though rare, many elite athletes have experienced heart problems while competing. Experts say emergency protocol rather than more screening is critical.

Full Story:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7981266/athletes-cardiac-arrest-euro-christian-eriksen/

职业运动员很少吧，文中两个例子是2012年和2019年。开打疫苗到现在已经是3个了。没到一年。 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-3 (#14085909@0) +3

"In the United States, approximately 100 to 150 sudden cardiac deaths (SCD) occur during competitive sports each year, according to the American College of Cardiology. -" -moonhalf(减肥减多久); 2021-11-3 (#14085928@0)

Read that. Competitive sports does not mean professional sports. Professional athletes get on news. Not the bar leagues. -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-3 (#14085935@0) +4

没错，职业的就没听说正当打年纪突然心梗的。有问题的早在进职业前发现淘汰了，职业队队医可不是吃素的，那是老板盈利的保障。 -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-11-4 (#14086761@0) +1

查查资料 -englearner(majia); 2021-11-4 (#14086779@0)

这里有讲职业的。 -englearner(majia); 2021-11-4 {139} (#14086774@0)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7237076/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7237076/

Thanks for this knowledgeable discussion. I looked into the detail of those listed, your data actually support that historically it is extremely rear case. But now a completely different story. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-11-4 {1088} (#14087058@0) +3
5 with underline are different case then what we are discussion here, professional athletes heart attack/sudden death while in their peak career. I listed their situation below.
The rest, spread from 1986 to 2018, 8 cases in 32 years, reaffirm these incidents were extremely rear.
Look at what we have seen this year? I still remember the Demark soccer player falls on his first game in Euro cup. Now we see case after case, not even a year yet.
Can't deny vaxx play a role here, statistically.
Reggie Lewis, USA, 1993
Marc Vivien Foe, Cameroonian, 2003
Miklos Feher, Hungarian, 2004
Zena Ray Upshaw, USA, 2018
Nick Knapp, USA, 1994
Hank Gathers, USA, 1990. In NCAA.
Antonio Puerta, Spain, 2007
Wes Leonard, USA, 2011. High school
Flo Hyman, USA, 1986
Sergei Grinkov, Russia, 1995
Alexander Dale Oen, Norway, 2012
Darryl Kile, USA, 2002, In sleep
Pete Maravich, USA, 1988, died at 40 years old so pass the peak time.
Jim Fixx, USA, 1984, an author, not athlete. died at 52 years old while jogging.

Well said. 也去点了人头。职业运动员出现这种情况过去还是很少见的。有问题也多是在比赛外查出。缺赛多少周而已。昨天去世的冰球运动员倒在冰上时没有任何身体接触。 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-4 {94} (#14087837@0)

联系到最近那个俄国人，坐着飞机就没了。以前也听过打疫苗的人回家睡个觉就没醒过来。像看恐怖片。

nfl算professional sport吗？他们官网上有专门讲如何应对，plan,发表于2019 -englearner(majia); 2021-11-4 {714} (#14088699@0)

The official source for NFL news, video highlights, fantasy football, game-day coverage, schedules, stats, scores and more.

Full Story:
https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/health-and-wellness/player-care/recognize-react-rescue-effectively-treating-sudden-cardiac-arrest

这就是个指南啊。就用NFL做例子。如果NFL一个周末三个球员倒在场上，那就不是个指南就能对付的了。我查到现役NFL的SCA的例子是在2010年，还不是在赛场上。 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-5 (#14089633@0)

所以你脑子想的结论是什么就看到什么。这里都是death. 你不能拿death 和 occurrence 比。death肯定只是occurrence里极少的比例。上面那3个例子应该不是death吧。你说的Denmark player是death吗？ -englearner(majia); 2021-11-4 (#14088451@0)

Recently sudden professional athlete death -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-11-4 {3542} (#14088626@0) +1
Recent Athletes Vaxx C19 Death 💀
Avi Barot, 29, Saurashtra cricketer suffers cardiac arrest, passes away: https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/young-saurashtra-cricket-player-avi-barot-dies-after-suffering-cardiac-arrest/article37015873.ece
Abou Ali, 22, professional footballer collapses on pitch during game: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/16118079/footballer-wessam-abou-ali-awake-hospital-collapse/
Fabrice NSakala, 31, Besiktas defender collapses on pitch during game: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/22/fabrice-nsakala-besiktas-collapse
Jens De Smet, 27, footballer collapses on field, passes away of heart attack: https://newswep.com/jens-27-collapses-on-the-football-field-and-dies-this-is-not-maldegem/
Jente van Genechten, 25, footballer collapses on field due to heart attack: https://www.sudinfo.be/id411745/article/2021-08-18/25-ans-un-joueur-belge-de-football-fait-un-arret-cardiaque-sur-le-terrain-avant
Frederic Lartillot, French footballer collapses in changing room, passes away due to heart attack after game: https://www.leprogres.fr/culture-loisirs/2021/09/11/deces-d-un-joueur-de-foot-apres-un-match-ses-coequipiers-ont-tout-tente-pour-le-sauver
Benjamin Taft, 31, German footballer collapses after game, passes away due to heart attack: https://www.anpfiff.info/mobile/sites/cms/artikel.aspx?SK=2&amp;amp;amp;Btr=96044&amp;amp;amp;Rub=390
Rune Coghe, 18, Belgian footballer suffers cardiac arrest on pitch: https://www.sudinfo.be/id409738/article/2021-08-07/rune-jeune-joueur-de-18-ans-secroule-sur-le-terrain-du-rds-plus-le-temps-passe
Helen Edwards, referee taken off court during World Cup qualifier due to heart issues: https://www.rtl.de/cms/dfb-spiel-unterbrochen-linienrichterin-vom-platz-getragen-4834888.html
Dimitri Lienard, 33, FC Strasbourg midfielder collapses during game: https://madeinfoot.ouest-france.fr/infos/article-rc-strasbourg-dimitri-lienard-a-ete-victime-d-un-malaise-354221.html
Sergio Aguero, 33, Barecelona star striker admitted to hospital for cardiac exam after match: https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/football/sergio-aguero-barcelona-chest-pain-spt-intl/index.html
Emil Palsson, 28, Sognal midfielder collapses due to cardiac arrest during game: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/norway-footballer-emil-palsson-cardiac-arrest-b1949583.html
Antoine Méchin, 31, French triathlete suffers pulmonary embolism following Moderna: https://www.sudouest.fr/sport/course-pedestre/triathlon/le-triathlete-saintais-antoine-mechin-met-un-terme-a-sa-saison-et-ne-se-referait-pas-vacciner-si-c-etait-a-refaire-6234090.php
Luis Ojeda, 20, Argentine football player unexpectedly passes away: https://www.antena3.com/noticias/deportes/futbol/emotiva-carta-lola-ortiz-muerte-novio-futbolista-luis-ojeda-soporto-idea-volver-ver-verte-nunca-mas_20210426608696616e5d5b0001eb20e9.html
Greg Luyssen, 22, Belgian pro cyclist ends career due to heart issues: https://kw.be/sport/wielrennen/wielerbelofte-greg-luyssen-22-uit-de-panne-over-gedwongen-afscheid-door-hartprobleem-dat-akelig-gevoel-wil-ik-nooit-meer/
Pedro Obiang, 29, ex-West Ham star suffers myocarditis post vaccine: https://thecovidworld.com/pedro-obiang-29-year-old-professional-footballer-suffers-myocarditis-after-covid-19-vaccine/
Cienna Knowles, 19, equestrian star hospitalized due to blood clots:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/teen-equestrian-star-cienna-knowles-hospitalised-with-blood-clots-after-pfizer-vaccine/news-story/286e7cd42e896b091e4b257322296a05

哎。你看了吗？我随便翻一下，大部分link都不是death. Collapse你查下字典？要不你自己看看，再整理一下？而且也像这样search一下以往的。前面的link又不是列出all inclusive，以往的全部。不管你是什么观点，或者已经有什么观点，都可以以客观开放的心态来收集看待数据。 -englearner(majia); 2021-11-4 (#14088685@0)

yea I copied from others. did not have a chance to check one by one. I guess we have to respect other's opinion. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-11-4 (#14088703@0)

I don’t even care what your opinion is nor do I have an opinion on this, what matters is how we arrive an opinion and support an opinion. If data supports your opinion, that’s perfectly fine. -englearner(majia); 2021-11-4 (#14088710@0)

me neither. We provide enough cases now. bystander can make their own decision if Covid contributes to the sudden death of athlete or not. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-11-5 (#14088758@0)

I beg to differ. It is merely a lead, -englearner(majia); 2021-11-5 {244} (#14088824@0)
and people should/could go to do their own research to draw conclusions but rather not to take something they read or not even read on a forum at its face value. They can pick or side an opinion as they see fit though. That's a different thing.

WOW，从来没想到这个LIST这么长了。 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-5 (#14089646@0)

喜欢运动的危险，宅男反而没事的多。今天听说朋友的同事，一个完全接种的肌肉男，去健身房锻炼，心脏停跳了，幸好抢救过来，ICU呆了2周。 -cyy123(maxi); 2021-11-3 (#14086054@0) +2
今天米兰的右后卫踢着踢着就自己躺到地上去了，头晕，无法站立。 -pili(小黑); 2021-11-3 (#14086068@0) +2

运动员快改名为晕动员了 -itwriting(halfpercent); 2021-11-3 (#14086166@0) +4

都说疫苗减少了得新冠后的死亡和后遗症。很希望有人统计一下，疫苗roll out后各i年龄段死亡数比往年增加了多少。心脏病，中风，癌症发病率，孕前期流产有没有奇怪地突然增加。 -returntoffice(等等); 2021-11-4 (#14087017@0)

今年安省的护士说死胎比往年多得多. -lily-wind(Lily-wind); 2021-11-4 (#14088638@0)

都是定时炸弹，心脏病刚死了一个打冰球的，联盟80%以上运动员都接种了 -arduino(arduino); 2021-11-4 (#14087067@0) +2

医生应该研究一下怎么避免。是少运动，做什么检查，还是吃什么药可以缓解 -returntoffice(等等); 2021-11-4 (#14087153@0)

心肌炎5年死亡率很高的，这些爆发心脏病的运动员可能大部分活不过5年了 -cxu123(意大利肉酱面); 2021-11-4 (#14087413@0) +1

听过医生说是66%。注意一下会好些吧。 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-4 (#14087807@0) +1

斯洛伐克职业冰球选手Boris Sadecky在上星期六比赛中心脏骤停。送往医院后昨天去世。 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-4 (#14087816@0) +2

有出处。 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-4 {920} (#14087819@0)

Professional hockey player Boris Sadecky passed away on Wednesday after suffering a cardiac arrest last Friday during a match in Austria. Sadecky was 24 and in good health. 80% of the league’s players are vaccinated with the experimental COVID vaccines. Very sad. 🇸🇰 F Boris Sadecky (@bratislavaCAPS) has passed away just at age 24. Trencin-born…

Full Story:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/24-year-old-hockey-star-boris-sadecky-dies-collapsing-ice-cardiac-arrest-last-friday-80-league-vaccinated/
上面贴过了。可跳过 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-4 (#14087873@0)

疫苗造就了网红,美国134名心脏猝死运动员 133人不知身患心脏病 -xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba); 2021-11-5 (#14088779@0) +1

134名是很多年加起来的，最近几周就出现不少心脏停跳的了。 -cxu123(意大利肉酱面); 2021-11-5 (#14088836@0)

要点不是134,而是133,秋冬相交的季节是高发时间段,如从1988年算起平均每年4个,这还只是美国一家的数据 -xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba); 2021-11-5 (#14088840@0)

每年全世界运动员比赛发心脏病的没几个，今年已经非常多了。搞生物的最擅长的就是统计造假，数据都操纵在他们手里。对付统计造假的方法就是让他们解释原理。比如刺突蛋白引起心脏炎症，让他们解释一下，如何能避免，保准他们不敢回应 -cxu123(意大利肉酱面); 2021-11-5 (#14088921@0) +2

不光是搞生物的，靠任何无法完全重现或追溯的实验或者非实验来作为证据/产出的行业都擅长统计造假，比如统计局，哈哈。 -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-11-5 (#14089533@0)

关键是一个周末3名职业球员无接触地倒在赛场上。一人死亡。别连普通人心肌炎致死也算。AC米兰的我没查到出处。可能是4个，就一个周末 -calgarian(目光似（比）月色寂寞); 2021-11-5 (#14089663@0)

关键是只有1个人死亡,还不能排除隐性心脏病 -xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba); 2021-11-5 (#14089804@0)

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