如果每次都要花一定时间等，然后再follow-up，催对方回信，也够受的 -kqc(一蓑烟雨) @拉斯维加斯华人论坛:拉斯维加斯枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Las Vegas

如果每次都要花一定时间等，然后再follow-up，催对方回信，也够受的

kqc(一蓑烟雨)

而且你想得太简单了。很多邮件算不上对方的责任。比如说，你可能就是征询一下信息，或者群发，希望对方知道的能提供些什么。这种情况下，对方根本不回信，你也无可奈何。再说，他不一定每封都不回，但是跟bdbs一样只拣他必须回的回，消极不合作，你又能如何？

其实这不是重点。。。。俺的意思是，~~ 己所不欲，勿施于人~~ 别人也不是傻瓜~~助人助己，互惠互利～～在很多公司里，工作态度比技术重要多了，还是不要卖弄些小聪明好。至少我看不出bdbs这么做除了增加别人反感外，有任何好处。我一般都是需要的时候才在某个邮件上加read confirmation，平时不加。而当我发了这样的邮件，我就期望对方能够confirm。像bdbs这种伎俩，用不了几次对方就知道了。而别人也自有办法对付。平时觉察不出来，真到你需要别人帮助的时候，你就知道了。。。：）

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没人知道吗？怎样得到对方已打开过email的comfirmation? -eagle_no1(瞎起哄); 2007-6-23 (#3760567@0)

Lotus notes or Outlook? -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-6-23 (#3760582@0)

i am using yahoo.ca on line,thx -eagle_no1(瞎起哄); 2007-6-28 (#3770675@0)

You can not get read-confirmation without the recepient's relealizing it. When I received this kind of email and it pops up to ask me if I want to send out confirmation, I feel it's annoying and I always choose NO. -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-23 (#3760755@0)

if you see the prompt, it means that email is important to the sender and s/he wants to make sure you get it and read it. Why don't you just let the sender know that you read it? Think for others... -kqc(一蓑烟雨); 2007-6-23 (#3760839@0)

It's better explicitly ask for reply and I will reply to it with more information instead of simply a confirmation that I have read it. -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-23 (#3761369@0)

In many situations, the senders just want to make sure you read the information. They may not need your reply. -kqc(一蓑烟雨); 2007-6-24 {160} (#3762761@0)
In other situations, the senders understand that you may not be able to reply the email immediately, but they need to ensure that the email actually get to you.

btw, I have the sense about the importance/severity of emails. -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-23 (#3761371@0)

You have the sense... but other people may not know that you have the sense...:) -kqc(一蓑烟雨); 2007-6-24 (#3762764@0)

I don't like people tracking my behavior. It is like that I am monitored. -exception(违例); 2007-6-25 (#3764112@0)

俺从来都把mail client设置成Ask all receipts when send，Never send response when receive。呵呵，从来没有popup。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-25 (#3763353@0)

ha ha. However receiving so many confirmations is also annoying. -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-25 (#3764741@0)

I set the filter to automatically move the confirmations to Trash. Will only check it when need it. ;-) -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-25 (#3765004@0)

像你这样干的。。。就不怕别人set the filter to automatically move your mails to trash... ha -kqc(一蓑烟雨); 2007-6-26 (#3766959@0)

He doesn't have to care. If the other guy missed some important emails because that guy automatically forwarded the emails to trash can, it's that guy's responsiblity, not bdbs' responsibility. -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-26 (#3767004@0)

这要看谁求着谁了 -kqc(一蓑烟雨); 2007-6-27 (#3767574@0)

工作中不是谁求谁，不是个人化的，都是按程序办事。发了email以后一定时间还没有响应，再follow up一下，还不响应，就要往上escalate了。 -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3767673@0)

如果每次都要花一定时间等，然后再follow-up，催对方回信，也够受的 -kqc(一蓑烟雨); 2007-6-27 {692} (#3768171@0)
而且你想得太简单了。很多邮件算不上对方的责任。比如说，你可能就是征询一下信息，或者群发，希望对方知道的能提供些什么。这种情况下，对方根本不回信，你也无可奈何。再说，他不一定每封都不回，但是跟bdbs一样只拣他必须回的回，消极不合作，你又能如何？

其实这不是重点。。。。俺的意思是，~~ 己所不欲，勿施于人~~ 别人也不是傻瓜~~助人助己，互惠互利～～在很多公司里，工作态度比技术重要多了，还是不要卖弄些小聪明好。至少我看不出bdbs这么做除了增加别人反感外，有任何好处。我一般都是需要的时候才在某个邮件上加read confirmation，平时不加。而当我发了这样的邮件，我就期望对方能够confirm。像bdbs这种伎俩，用不了几次对方就知道了。而别人也自有办法对付。平时觉察不出来，真到你需要别人帮助的时候，你就知道了。。。：）

谢谢你打这么多字和分享你处理办公室事务的策略。bdbs其实那么做也没什么不好。每个人都有自己的处理策略。我需要别人回复的时候我是明确要求对方在什么时间前回复。一般同事都很合作。个别情况别人忘记回复，followup一下就有下文了。 -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3769859@0)

是的，工作中，我不用在乎对方对方如何对待我的信。但是一旦发生了什么事，我就有written proof可以证明是对方的责任。这是主要的。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-27 (#3767834@0)

Everyone in the organization sets the same way and everyone receives nothing. Good organization culture. :D -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-26 (#3767009@0)

那种mail client的设置没多大意思。碰到楼上忘情水这样的就不起作用了。如果真正地想track对方有否打开（假设打开就算阅读过了），得用其它非正常手段才行。；） -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-25 (#3763360@0)

no matter whatever approache you use, receipients can block it. -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-25 (#3764742@0)

You can only block it before you know it. :) for example: I can tell how many unique people read this post if I want. :) -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-26 (#3765003@0)

email可以做的事情不比网页。伪装成图片对很多email系统都不好使了，别的你还能做啥？ -heeltoe(不過三); 2007-6-26 (#3765043@0)

俺有说伪装成图片了么？：） -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-26 (#3765131@0)

想知道对方是否读过email，也就伪装成图片“好用”一点吧。whatever，说说你能咋的吧？ -heeltoe(不過三); 2007-6-27 (#3767676@0)

原理是一样的。不伪装图片，不过可以安插图片嘛。：） -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-27 (#3767825@0)

What's the difference between "伪装图片" and "安插图片"? How does it work if I choose displaying E-mail content as text-only? -liquid(avaya); 2007-6-27 (#3768589@0)

真有较真的呀。如果你的mail client完全设成text only的话，拒绝接受任何HTML format的邮件的话， -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-27 {107} (#3768928@0)
呵呵，你自己知道该怎么办。

我是真的不知道如果我选择只显示文字的话，发送邮件的人怎么知道我打开过了。 -liquid(avaya); 2007-6-27 (#3769081@0)

Really? I am extremely surprised if you can do that since it has only subject line. Are you sure you can tell the unique people that browse a post/reply if it doesn't contain HTML body? -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-26 (#3766997@0)

你是说这里的贴子么？俺说的是if I want。光显示subject line当然不算看过了。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-26 (#3767330@0)

i c. thx -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3767516@0)

I am a little curious about the definition of unique people. Would it be unique IP addresses? -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3767521@0)

case 1: I broswed the same post at home and at office. Will this be counted 1 or 2? -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3767525@0)
case 2: Two people rent rooms in a house. 3 people (landlord and 2 tenants) browsed the same post from their own computers behand a router, will it be counted 1 or 3 unique people? -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3767529@0)
俺说的是大白话，你那说法太专业了。：） -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-27 (#3767821@0)

我还没写完cases呢。case 3: 我在办公室读贴的时候Manager过来了，他对中文感兴趣，我和他讨论你怎么实现的。突然他问我，你是不是知道我和他一起看到了你的贴？他一下子有点紧张了。:D -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3769874@0)
Case 4: 既然manager都知道我在上班时间刷网，我就不怕开水烫了。我们俩想不出你是如何知道我们俩看了贴的，就叫来team里的其他人来分析。他们全围在我身后看贴和发表见解。突然有个MM说你是不是知道我们team一共有多少人了。:D -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3769881@0)
Case 5: 这位MMsecurity意识比较强。为了防止泄密，她把我电脑的RJ45双绞线拔了。还叫来了IT部门的所有人，来分析severity。IT部门的人发现severity很高，因为连IT部门的规模信息都被你知道了。他们抓不到你，缺拿我出气。你现在知道我惨了吧。:( -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3769892@0)
就是没事逗乐。谁叫你的名字是“不多不少”呢，弄得我和你说话都需要考虑特严谨。:D -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-27 (#3769896@0)

You are not sending virus, right? -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-25 (#3764744@0)

哪能干那种缺德事呢。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2007-6-25 (#3765001@0)

You should be able to do it in your company's email software configuration for internal emails..check with your IT dept. -sunday8(sunday8); 2007-6-25 (#3764384@0)

Tell you the fact in our company. Most people from offices located in continents do not set read-confirmation. Only several people from India set that way. I personally do not like it. I am not sure if other people like it. -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-26 (#3767020@0)

At 1 or occasions, a guy sent emails to a big list with CXO. The email asked read-confirmation. I am not sure if other people like it and sent out read-confirmation. -wangqingshui(忘情水); 2007-6-26 (#3767026@0)

thanks all guys above. i forgot to read the reply until today. actually the reason i ask this question is that: -eagle_no1(瞎起哄); 2007-6-28 {285} (#3770692@0)

i was buying something from internet and in the transaction. but it looked the seller disappeared after he received my money order. he didn't reply my email and i don't have his phone number.

so i wanted to know if he really read my email or not?

thanks all your guys anyway

This has become a discussion how sender can trace whether somebody opened the mail. -liquid(avaya); 2007-6-28 (#3770707@0)

yes. if there is not a good way, probably just sending a register letter. -eagle_no1(瞎起哄); 2007-6-28 (#3770717@0)

@Las Vegas

如果每次都要花一定时间等，然后再follow-up，催对方回信，也够受的

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